Perimenopause Hair Loss and Stem Cell Banking, Explained | Dr. Drew Taylor (Episode 137)

0:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's something I know about you. [SPEAKER_02]: You are not short on information and you definitely know a lot. [SPEAKER_02]: Yet, you're still not feeling the way you want to feel. [SPEAKER_02]: That's not a U-problem. [SPEAKER_02]: That's a foundation problem. [SPEAKER_02]: And here's the reality. [SPEAKER_02]: There has never been a clear roadmap for this chapter of midlife. [SPEAKER_02]: Until now, I built the well-drop because I was hired of piecing it together, too. [SPEAKER_02]: I was tired of

0:26 [SPEAKER_02]: protocols that were never built for this body at the stage in the season of life. [SPEAKER_02]: So I built the roadmap every Sunday, one drop lands in your inbox, one habit, one clear upgrade, just for where you are right now. [SPEAKER_02]: No noise, no overwhelmed, just what actually moves in needle. [SPEAKER_02]: You don't need more information, you need to build a wellness lifestyle for mid-life. [SPEAKER_02]: That's it. [SPEAKER_02]: Subscribe at theweljoff.com or click the link in the show notes right now before this [SPEAKER_02]: you forget.

0:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll see you inside.

1:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Hello and welcome to the Wild Drop with me, Amber Berger, a podcast for Wellness Meet Simplicity, empowering you to own your wellness, starting at home. [SPEAKER_02]: Each episode we dive into things we wish we were warned about and explore practical street forward strategies designed for busy days like you. [SPEAKER_02]: Whether you're juggling meetings, running errands, or managing family life, I'm here to help sift through the noise and show you how integrating wellness into your daily routine can be simple and stress-free.

1:32 [SPEAKER_02]: find out how by tuning in to today's well-drop.

1:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Three years ago, the beauty industry handed out an innovation award. [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't go to a cream, it didn't go to a serum, and it didn't go to anything you could buy in a store. [SPEAKER_02]: It went to a company that turns a few hairs from the back of your head into skincare. [SPEAKER_02]: For 50 years, beauty has meant buying the new jar, the new bottle, and rebuying it next month. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, what's coming next is different. [SPEAKER_02]: You stop buying ingredients and you start saving your own.

2:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the future of beauty. [SPEAKER_02]: Today, I am talking to the founder of Acorn, who is leading that shift. [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll tell you what happened when I tried it on myself first. [SPEAKER_02]: So stay tuned to get the drop on how it works. [SPEAKER_02]: and whether it's worth it for you or not. [SPEAKER_02]: Quick note, this episode is sponsored by Acorn Biolabs. [SPEAKER_02]: Acorn is also part of the WellJump Network, my curated collective of the best brands and services for women in mid-life.

2:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to the WellJump podcast. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Amber Berger. [SPEAKER_02]: Here is what I hear from you every week. [SPEAKER_02]: I own the serums. [SPEAKER_02]: I did the facials. [SPEAKER_02]: What else should I be doing because I want to glow and I want to age like Benjamin Button. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this episode is for you. [SPEAKER_02]: But most people don't know is that almost everything in beauty is borrowed. [SPEAKER_02]: It's made in a factory to copy something your body already does.

2:52 [SPEAKER_02]: or it can be taken from someone else's cells or squeezed from a plant and they call it stem cells on the label. [SPEAKER_02]: It may be sold back to you in a beautiful bottle every single month. [SPEAKER_02]: That's the old model and the new model is something trans-afformative. [SPEAKER_02]: And those of you who understand and tune in today are getting to know what the smartest decision for your body may be for your future self. [SPEAKER_02]: That is why we're here today. [SPEAKER_02]: If you've been around a while, you know the well-drop method, optimization upgrades come last.

3:21 [SPEAKER_02]: You start with your habits first, your home-based second, your data third, and your cells are only as good as a sleep, protein and blood sugar that feed them every single day. [SPEAKER_02]: And if you want to know where hair and skincare are going next, [SPEAKER_02]: this episode is for you because a future of skincare is inside your own stem cells and you don't need a big surgery. [SPEAKER_02]: If you've ever stood in front of the bathroom cabinet and wondered, is any of this working for me?

3:44 [SPEAKER_02]: It means it's time for an upgrade. [SPEAKER_02]: If you've been seeing clumps of hair in the shower, your part is widening, your ponytail is getting smaller. [SPEAKER_02]: This episode is for you also. [SPEAKER_02]: If you've been at the doctor's office lately and they've been telling you to

4:03 [SPEAKER_02]: is this for me? [SPEAKER_02]: Tune in because you're going to leave this conversation knowing three things. [SPEAKER_02]: Number 1. [SPEAKER_02]: What are stem cells? [SPEAKER_02]: Where do they live and how a few plugs hairs can become your new skincare with no surgery? [SPEAKER_02]: Plus a new word you're going to hear everywhere soon, Secretary Tom. [SPEAKER_02]: Number two, how to cut through every beauty trend you're hearing right now, we're sifting through the noise from exosomes, PDRN, PDGF, placental, all of it.

4:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And number three, exactly what happened when I tried to acorn myself, so let's drop into it.

4:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Before Drew joins us, let's do the news. [SPEAKER_02]: Here's what happened this year. [SPEAKER_02]: A corn landed on fast company's list of the most innovative companies of 2026. [SPEAKER_02]: It's treatment called you one new beauty's 2026 award for the best secret homes treatment. [SPEAKER_02]: In September, the founder walked into a room full of beauty insiders in LA and walked out with the innovation award. [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the drop. [SPEAKER_02]: When business press and the beauty industry's own awards, all point to the same idea in the same year that's not a trend, that's a turn.

5:13 [SPEAKER_02]: So let's meet the man behind it. [SPEAKER_02]: We will welcome the founder of Acorn, Dr. Drew Taylor. [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to The Well Drop. [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, I did to be at The Well Drop. [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks so much for having me on. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm super excited to have you on. [SPEAKER_02]: I've been waiting for this conversation, and I want to congratulate you on all the acknowledgments and the last and especially last months award. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's a really big deal.

5:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was super exciting. [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, it was highlighting a long journey by a lot of different people contributing to making this reality. [SPEAKER_00]: So it was a nice moment to recognize all the hard work. [SPEAKER_00]: And obviously for us, this is a new technology. [SPEAKER_00]: So the opportunity for people to get awareness about it and learn about it was exceptional. [SPEAKER_02]: And so I'd love to always start from the beginning. [SPEAKER_02]: You actually started as a professional baseball player before you became a doctor.

6:07 [SPEAKER_02]: So tell us what led to this whole journey from being in the minor leagues to getting a PhD in biomedical engineering. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I think it was a better scientist than baseball player, but I think given a good shot, I actually come from a bit of a baseball medical family. [SPEAKER_00]: My mom was a nurse, my dad, played professional baseball, and then went back and became a physician. [SPEAKER_00]: So, I would say I have tried to follow in their footsteps, always let a do a life of academics, mostly toward sciences and medicine, and play baseball.

6:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So, had an opportunity to go down to the University of Michigan. [SPEAKER_00]: Studied remet there and played baseball for the Wolverines was going to head off to medical school after after finishing up and had an offer to go play for the Blue Jays at the same time So unfortunately the met school would not let me go play professional baseball and [SPEAKER_00]: Going to Met School, so I had to make some constellations that I'm really glad that I did. [SPEAKER_00]: I ended up transferring into a PhD program, because I was with the BlueJays University of Toronto, and that's where I was really exposed to the world of regenerative medicine I worked in a lab that was essentially leveraging our own cells.

7:20 [SPEAKER_00]: and looking at cells in general from donors and beyond to use as a material to regenerate our tissues. [SPEAKER_00]: Specifically our connective tissues, so this is really important across the beauty and aesthetics skin hair, as well as into sports medicine and thinking about these joints, all of those things. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's funny for me, you know, when I think of stem cells, I think of the regenerative medicine space. [SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like being a former athlete was probably such an easy segue to sort of like learn how this can, you know, be actually applied in real life cases.

7:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Because if I'm be through your own experience or people that you know and your father as well, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I had a very much personal experience with it. [SPEAKER_00]: I might my baseball career ended because of an arm injury. [SPEAKER_00]: So I actually tore my labor and super spinatus and, you know, would have loved to have played a little bit longer, but I'd end it to the slow death of my career. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we attempted some regenerative medicine at that time.

8:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that, you know, it was not at the level that it is today, but certainly it was very personal and, you know, wandering around the hospital. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm dating myself, but with a CD of my MRIs and I'm also these things walking around and trying to navigate, you know, the healthcare system is a patient and understanding the options and where they were at that point in helping me to actually [SPEAKER_00]: attempt to come back, which I did, you know, ended up being that I probably plateaued and that injury plagued me that, that ended my career a little bit prematurely, but there was an amazing experience, and I'm forever thankful for baseball, not only because of those experiences, but actually because it was the catalyst that actually pushed me into thinking about instead of treating patients, can we, [SPEAKER_00]: to my career focus on designing the actual applications and the next generation of these therapeutics.

9:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that was, that was really something that by chance, baseball provided for me and I'm eternally grateful. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think it was by chance. [SPEAKER_02]: I think you're meant to be doing exactly what you're doing.

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10:44 [SPEAKER_02]: When I think about stem cells, I always think about these invasive surgeries to go get your stem cells in the bone. [SPEAKER_02]: Is that where the science started and then take us from when you were starting your initial studies to where it has evolved to today? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely, so I mean, thinking about capturing cells, which is really the starting material for regenerative medicine. [SPEAKER_00]: We're not manufacturing a chemical compound or a pharmaceutical and a laboratory and working about worrying about purity and things.

11:13 [SPEAKER_00]: We actually need living material to act as the starting material to create these treatments. [SPEAKER_00]: And so traditionally, those have been

11:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Right? [SPEAKER_02]: We know this. [SPEAKER_00]: Life a section can be used to capture a dipocite stem cells. [SPEAKER_00]: So in our fat, we have stem cells dispersed through our fat. [SPEAKER_00]: But obviously to access those things, it is an invasive procedure, a surgical procedure. [SPEAKER_00]: And ultimately there's comorbidities involved, right? [SPEAKER_00]: You can have a recovery period. [SPEAKER_00]: And for patients over certain age, it's even ill-advised, not actually because of the reduction in the quality of the cells, but because the implications of going through one of those things after a certain age.

12:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for the recovery process. [SPEAKER_02]: Think about that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's a, you know, it was definitely a problem to solve. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's one of the areas that we investigated during that original work. [SPEAKER_00]: We were looking at creating, you know, taking invasive biopsies, trying to like make that, that selection of cells that were capturing smaller, but ultimately the, the hair follicle provided an amazing opportunity to capture high quality cells, mesenchymal stem cells.

12:27 [SPEAKER_00]: The same ones that exist in our bone marrow and dispersed through our fat. [SPEAKER_02]: Mesochimals stem cells, we're going to come back to that term because a lot of people I think may have never even heard that word before. [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it is a specialized cell type that really feeds our connective tissues. [SPEAKER_00]: It's known for being able to turn into cartilage, bone, and fat, and is a obviously really present in other connective tissues, including our hair follicles.

12:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And so instead of going into bone marrow, we can pluck follicles from the back of the scalp

13:00 [SPEAKER_02]: It almost seems like too easy and too good to be true. [SPEAKER_02]: How is that even possible when was that discovery made? [SPEAKER_02]: So what about this? [SPEAKER_02]: Like if someone's envisioning a hair follicle, it's the white piece, right? [SPEAKER_02]: If you pull out your hair and you see that white tail, that's what you're talking about. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no matter what your hair color is, it's the white tip of the cluster of cells that that exists at the end of each one of our hair.

13:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you've ever been combing your hair and you kind of catch a knot, [SPEAKER_00]: and you pluck a follicle out right and it comes out that white tip at the end is this amazing repository stem cells and you know two layers of our skin make the carrots and a sides and the fiber blasts so the surface cells and the deeper cells. [SPEAKER_00]: and they come with that plaque, so you have a non-invasive way, no needles, no surgery, you know, it's annoying, but I've been called annoying before, it is not painful though.

13:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a very elegant way of capturing very high quality cells and the hair follicles is truly extraordinary. [SPEAKER_00]: We've known this for, and when I say we, I mean, the greater scientific community, we've known this for quite some time, but [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for about like how long as I think that people, this is maybe the first time they've ever heard of it, and it's newer to me. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think I only discovered you guys when you launched, would you start it in 2017, but you officially launched your product?

14:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Here we go. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the last year, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's very new from an exposure standpoint. [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you know, the science goes back even when I was doing that with the research. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, during my PCHD, back in the day, it probably kicked off around 2008 when we were first actually evaluating secret homes and these things, but it is a lot of groundwork to get to the point where we actually have patients receiving benefit, right for their skin, for their herds today, and practices that launch last year.

14:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my, that's amazing. [SPEAKER_02]: And we're at the name Acorn come from. [SPEAKER_02]: I think it has an interesting story behind it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, someone that was involved in, you know, even before we actually officially incorporated the company back in 2017, there was, there was more point on before that as actually one of the individuals that, you know, didn't end up staying with the company as, as we, [SPEAKER_00]: Incorporated, but one of the people have worked on some of the original technologies thought it would be a really interesting idea to name it a corn mostly because you know squirrels tuck away coins for the future right for for the winter ahead and then on top of that you know that from that small a corn you can grow a mighty oak [SPEAKER_02]: and I think most people don't even realize that.

15:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's what's kind of cool that definitely translate to that you're taking just some follicles of your hair, which we'll get into how many that is or the treatment. [SPEAKER_02]: And just from that, you have all of these properties inside that tiny little bulb at the follicle, the hair follicle. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it almost is kind of mind-blowing that

15:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It is one of the most concentrated stem cell populations in our bodies. [SPEAKER_00]: There's actually multiple-edent types of stem cells that exist there. [SPEAKER_00]: There's the ones that are at the very cup in the base. [SPEAKER_00]: The hair follicles, specific ones that are part of the dermal pathway, that actually produce the keratin that actually becomes the hair fiber. [SPEAKER_00]: And then you also have these mesenchymal stem cells that are in the bulge region and disperse through the internet or root sheets that are essentially factories feeding that neural pathway to actually produce the hair follicle.

16:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And so they're unbelievably essential at delivering the molecular cues or the signals as well as some of the building blocks for us to be able to create hair. [SPEAKER_00]: And so it really is, it almost feels like it was designed for this, this nice package

16:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So let's talk about what the, there's like two different parts that the company, one is getting the actual stem cells from your hair and then the second part would be a treatment that comes from that. [SPEAKER_02]: So talk us through what is if we want to get our stem cells from our hair, what does that process look like? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's it's pretty simple. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's now over 300 practices across North America that have brought in this this technology and the offer.

17:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so regardless of where you are, there's there's probably an option for you. [SPEAKER_00]: But you go see your physician, most of the people that are offering this are in the space of dermatology, plastic surgery aesthetics. [SPEAKER_00]: And then also to be over into wellness, longevity, sports medicine, and orthopedics. [SPEAKER_00]: And you can have these hair follicles plucked from the back of your scalp. [SPEAKER_00]: We take 50 hair follicles. [SPEAKER_00]: That's about a 15 minute window that's required to do that.

17:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's very quick. [SPEAKER_02]: couldn't be easier I have to be honest with you know for some people it doesn't hurt I will say I get a question a lot. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh does that hurt? [SPEAKER_02]: I think 50 for some people like my husband at first he's finally doing it now but at first like 50 no way like if you're having some hair loss and hair shedding issues you want to like save every little ounce that you have but I think [SPEAKER_02]: We lose over a hundred hairs a day. [SPEAKER_02]: So this is technically like you're already confused.

18:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And we have, you know, we have well over a hundred thousand hair follicles on our head. [SPEAKER_00]: So relatively 50s of very small number. [SPEAKER_00]: People will ask like, oh, I'm going to have a little bald patch here. [SPEAKER_00]: And now we go across these typical region, which is the back of the head. [SPEAKER_00]: That's where, obviously, it's the last place that gets any issues from male pattern baldness. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm usually going to have a very healthy stock, so it's like what you consider the donor region during a hair transplant.

18:32 [SPEAKER_00]: When you pluck the follicle as well, the inner root sheath comes. [SPEAKER_00]: But the Dermal Pappla, most of it remains as well as the other read sheet. [SPEAKER_00]: And so you actually have a new hair follicle. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that same hair follicle just starts re-growing. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not a, it's not like a hair transplant where you've lost that follicle. [SPEAKER_00]: It's been moved, this comes right back. [SPEAKER_00]: And 50 out of, you know, over a hundred thousand is a very small number.

18:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So you move around the back is unnoticeable. [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't in and out, you know, lunchtime kind of opportunity. [SPEAKER_00]: And what it allows us to do is take those cells, they get actually moved to our laboratory, and they get cryogenically preserved. [SPEAKER_00]: So they get frozen down at negative 196 degrees Celsius, or 300 degrees Fahrenheit. [SPEAKER_00]: At that temperature, there's no cell metabolism. [SPEAKER_00]: The cells are locked in time and they will not continue to age.

19:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So now is there a difference like I'm 46 of stem cells

19:35 [SPEAKER_00]: There are differences. [SPEAKER_00]: So we do have what's called stem cell escape. [SPEAKER_00]: So the number of stem cells can drop what we see with stem cells in the hair follicle is that they get activated and kicking to gear when needed. [SPEAKER_00]: And so you end up having these repositories of youthful stem cells even later into life, you may you may have a drop in the number, but that's one of the things that that we've worked very hard on trying to correct as much as possible.

20:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And so one of the big questions that we get all the time as well, and I too old for this, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, depending on your personality, I think everybody at a certain point starts to ask that question. [SPEAKER_02]: I literally just had that question from a, I believe it was a 75 year old woman. [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, sign me up. [SPEAKER_02]: Tell me when is it too late? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And so what would you say to her? [SPEAKER_00]: So I have, so one, there's a technology answer, and then there's a practical answer, right?

20:29 [SPEAKER_00]: The technology answer is that when we take these cells back to the lab, and we actually create treatments, which we'll talk about, we can allow for a greater period of time to accumulate all of these bioactive molecules that are produced by our stem cells. [SPEAKER_00]: If we give them more time, they can actually make up that difference. [SPEAKER_02]: interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: And so no perfect right age does matter, but we can offset a big chunk of that age. [SPEAKER_00]: We've done studies where we've looked at actually like mothers and daughters fathers and sons and the with about a 30 year age gap between them.

21:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And we can offset about 85% of that loss, which is is exciting. [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a huge difference and so I've been, I've witnessed people into their upper 80s that have collected their hair follicles. [SPEAKER_00]: We've used those cells and those stem cells and those hair follicles to create treatments. [SPEAKER_00]: And I've seen them clinically benefit from these applications. [SPEAKER_02]: I love that. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, to me, the answer was, why not?

21:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, first, I think it's so powerful. [SPEAKER_02]: I think people are probably even listening me like, how is this even possible? [SPEAKER_02]: Like, this is the future right now for me for your skincare, for your hair care. [SPEAKER_02]: This is the beauty direction that it's all going. [SPEAKER_02]: I think we're so used to when it comes to something that's a beauty product. [SPEAKER_02]: I know you have many more other benefits, you know, for acorn as well. [SPEAKER_02]: that you have to, you know, take a pill or you need to put on a serum or this is actually using something and those things by the way are coming from a lab like you mentioned before.

22:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So technically a little bit more synthetic, I love to try to make my first step be as close to my own biology as possible. [SPEAKER_02]: And so getting your own stem cells, I mean, there is nothing better that your body is going to recognize than it coming from you. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: And everything we put in our bodies will trigger some level of the inflammation. [SPEAKER_00]: If it's foreign, so when we're able to actually harness our own cells and leverage them to create our own versions of these molecules, so they're completely autologous or from us.

22:34 [SPEAKER_00]: our bodies accept them fully and completely, and so it's a very unique opportunity. [SPEAKER_00]: It's what is natural of a product that you can possibly get because it's essentially taking your own instruments and optimizing them and delivering them back in higher concentrations because ultimately as we age, [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of these factors and growth factors and molecules will drop, I will just focus less of them. [SPEAKER_00]: So if we can actually tip the scales in our favor by creating them from our own cells and re-delivering them back, we can optimize those levels and continue the level of performance of our younger cells.

23:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, for me, it's all about, like, saving, so taking your stem cells now, saving them for your future new or start using them, so it kind of keeps away, keep it in there. [SPEAKER_02]: So that it keeps optimizing you as you are aging. [SPEAKER_02]: Now, so what is the, I think also what Lumi away was the cost of the treatment to bank yourselves. [SPEAKER_02]: How much is it to do that? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it depends on where you go, but it's under a thousand dollars to just simply cryogenically preserve yourselves.

23:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And ultimately, if you're pairing that at the same time of actually getting procedures done, a lot of that actually gets included into that. [SPEAKER_00]: series of treatments. [SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of people are actually jumping into banking themselves having themselves banked and then jumping straight into the applications and focusing on that. [SPEAKER_00]: But just to bank yourselves, you know, it's, we have a Netflix-like annual subscription. [SPEAKER_00]: It's cheaper than Netflix, actually.

24:04 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a very approachable. [SPEAKER_02]: It almost was so surprising to me. [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, well, this is doable. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's quite approachable. [SPEAKER_00]: We've tried to make it so that the opportunity to bank yourselves is very attainable. [SPEAKER_00]: People that want to jump in and leverage them right away, obviously a lot of these aesthetic treatments, you know, to talk to your physicians about that plan, and they can come up with a plan for you.

24:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It depends on how aggressive you want to be and the different modalities like laser and micro-needling and other things you want to mix in, but we try to make this very accessible from tapping into your own regenerative medicine. [SPEAKER_00]: There's really two sides to it. [SPEAKER_00]: Some people are just banking their cells for the future because they can walk away. [SPEAKER_02]: Right, like I try to tell everyone just go bank them at least to start there and then biologic health insurance policy.

24:50 [SPEAKER_02]: But why not? [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just a couple hundred dollars a year to just bank the cells. [SPEAKER_02]: And then because what I love is that you have different practices all over the country, then you can you choose to use those at different practices like what if you have multiple homes or you're moving around, traveling, can you then say, okay, I'll be at this practice. [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to do a treatment here. [SPEAKER_02]: And then what if you go to another practice, can they also call in your stem cells?

25:17 [SPEAKER_00]: the can, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So our philosophy and all of our partners, you know, are very bought into this is that the patient owns their own material. [SPEAKER_00]: We think that's very important, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And so you own it. [SPEAKER_00]: We are the safeguard keepers of that material, cryogenically, to keep it frozen for you. [SPEAKER_00]: And then leveraging them, obviously, you've trusted a physician to do this with. [SPEAKER_00]: but people move and people have different things that they want to use these cells for, so we definitely feel like some physicians are experts in skin, others hair, some do both, but we've gotten multiple people that are going to different physicians for some of these different goals that they have and still leveraging their cellular material in both of those two clinics.

26:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so then the first step is we're going to bank ourselves, then the second step will be you're going to choose a treatment plan. [SPEAKER_02]: So now what happens? [SPEAKER_02]: So the word secretoma, which I use when we first start the conversation is going to be this new word that people are going to now understand. [SPEAKER_00]: Not a secret anymore. [SPEAKER_02]: Now it's not a secret. [SPEAKER_02]: So you're taking the stem cells and by banking them, what are you then creating?

26:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Like what is the product that you're then getting from your practitioner? [SPEAKER_00]: So those cells can be used in the future in a number of different ways. [SPEAKER_00]: One of the areas that we're leveraging them today is actually to capture the secret tone. [SPEAKER_00]: the sacriotome, you know, tomato tomato, it is essentially a root word is secretion. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's all of the secretive molecules that your stem cells release to stimulate and optimize the other cells around them.

26:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So most of most people believe that stem cells run around the body and turn into other cell types by a fast degree predominantly what they do is actually release Stingulatory molecules that influence our other cells to perform better and we're optimized. [SPEAKER_00]: And so that process is what we've captured in this first way of opportunity in aesthetics. [SPEAKER_00]: Where? [SPEAKER_00]: Your cells in our lab act is almost a miniature personalized factory for you to create very high volumes of these factors and that includes a number of different things and a lot of these are our buzzwords right now, but yes pay attention because you probably have heard of them from the dermatologist office, but I want to be clear that these are yours versus synthetic.

27:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: So what are the benefits inside? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: This is done. [SPEAKER_00]: Look at those six studies now that have demonstrated that we react better to our own materials than either from a donor or or synthetically. [SPEAKER_00]: And so this is this is a real opportunity to have that that's synergistic approach of making sure that these molecules are in fact. [SPEAKER_00]: in tune with your body, but they include growth factors, so I mean there's a lot of amazing growth factors up there, IGF1, PDGF, CGF, they'll have different goals and different objectives and what they drive for us.

28:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So you have a wide array of growth factors, exosomes, and extracellular vesicles is another big conversation. [SPEAKER_00]: These are vehicles that help to deliver their contents to cells very efficiently. [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like the Amazon prime of the human body, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So these these are packages, the contents of those packages is what's. [SPEAKER_00]: truly important. [SPEAKER_00]: And so just having an exosome is not necessarily therapeutic, but the payload that it's delivering is actually what's important.

28:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And so this is why a big proponent I'm not talking too much about the number of exosomes, but what's actually inside them is it is really the driver of value. [SPEAKER_00]: And so exosomes are our light prime, Amazon prime, but in fact, what they actually are able to do is enter ourselves and deliver the package. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's as if [SPEAKER_02]: You, because I talk about cellular medicine all the time, and I think we forget as adults to just go back to our days of science of things at the cellular level.

29:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So something that's getting into the cell is going to do the job versus it could just be floating around in there, it makes this, but if it's not getting in then it's not getting the message and so then it's not going to produce is a thinking about it kind of

29:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the package can stay land outside and stay outside, maybe it never actually comes in contact with yourself, and so there's the chance right of you got a lower percentage of value that's getting delivered because it's necessitating that intake. [SPEAKER_00]: When you deliver these exosomes, you get that intake built-in to the delivery system. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's as if Amazon Prime actually opened your front door and unboxed the package for you, and that's obviously delivering

30:02 [SPEAKER_02]: So talk to me, because I think a lot of people are doing different treatments with those types of growth factors, PDGF, exosomes. [SPEAKER_02]: So I think exosome IVs, placenta cell IVs. [SPEAKER_02]: Those are all really big trends for those that are kind of going a little bit off the grid to get them done. [SPEAKER_02]: So when you're doing something like that, that's technically not your material, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Typically they're doing them from a donor. [SPEAKER_02]: Is that correct?

30:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, versus now if you're getting the secret home that's yours, it still has all of these ingredients inside, but it's from your body. [SPEAKER_00]: correct. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's two big important aspects of this. [SPEAKER_00]: One is that it is technically a foreign material, right, when it's from someone else. [SPEAKER_00]: And not only cells, but even exosomes, because the surface of an exosome is actually just the same surface of ourselves that's going

31:02 [SPEAKER_00]: and one of the proteins on that surface is MHC complex which is something that we use by our immune systems to identify if something's foreign or not. [SPEAKER_00]: And so we do identify donor exosomes, donor cells as foreign. [SPEAKER_00]: Our hope is we're not our hope that the hope and the hope is [SPEAKER_00]: the benefit that you're going to be receiving from those cells from these growth factors and different things that are released or the episodes themselves is going to have a greater effect of positivity than the inflammation that will be caused by it being foreign.

31:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Correct, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So what if we could just eliminate all of that risk? [SPEAKER_00]: And I've certainly in my career seen many patients that have usually outside of the US gone to some travel medical tourism and had stem cell infusions or injections and unfortunately hasn't gone very well for them. [SPEAKER_00]: They react negatively against these things. [SPEAKER_00]: They're left back at home now with some prolonged issues. [SPEAKER_00]: And so there is a real risk to receiving foreign materials.

32:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and also I think there's all in the conversation all the times they'll talk about pre-COVID versus post-COVID in terms of the type of people that they're getting it from. [SPEAKER_02]: But what about going back to the age of the cell? [SPEAKER_02]: Because I think a lot of times people get stuck on thinking, oh, the placenta cell. [SPEAKER_02]: That's like the freshest, the youngest, the most vibrant. [SPEAKER_02]: How does that compare to like the 46-year-old Anne [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is a fantastic question and this is the second part of I think why using your own material is so beneficial regardless of your age.

32:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when we take or when a donor material is sourced, that donor material ends up getting used across many, many patients.

32:54 [SPEAKER_00]: You're having this, the cell source, this donor source really be used across hundreds or thousands of patients. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So to do that, you take this young youthful, placental cell and you expand it and you ask it to replicate itself again and again. [SPEAKER_00]: And the concept that I'd introduce is taking a photocopy of a photocopy. [SPEAKER_00]: things get blurry quickly. [SPEAKER_00]: Those cells actually as they continue to divide our aging because that is the agent process, so you're literally right when we ask ourselves to divide and multiply over time, and you're essentially fast-forwarding in the lab.

33:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Those cells through an aging process, no matter of weeks it can be decades of accumulation of aging, technically because you have fast-tracked these cells to divide and expand so that you have enough to treat many, many people. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think for most people, they would never, this could be way over their head. [SPEAKER_02]: Like they think placenta sells young, great check check. [SPEAKER_02]: But what I want people to hear is that like you're saying how a young cell, like a placenta cell, once divided ages, there have been studies to show for certain companies that the age of a placenta cell can be 90.

34:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: From all that dividing, is that how that happens? [SPEAKER_00]: The race studies by Hartman at Al, that the demonstrated going through that process. [SPEAKER_00]: those cells are performing closer to a 96-year-old individual, then they are that age-zero cell force. [SPEAKER_00]: And it happens quite quickly, so the cells going through these handful of replication events will get there quite quickly. [SPEAKER_00]: It happens even faster with exosomes, even after just four replication events, the quality of the exosomes based on its therapeutic value.

34:37 [SPEAKER_00]: has dropped off significantly. [SPEAKER_00]: The number of exosomes that are released by the cells doesn't change. [SPEAKER_00]: So you have many exosomes, but their impact on you has dropped off. [SPEAKER_00]: And so it is a major issue right now, I would say, because all of the advertising is focused on having these age zero cell source. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's technically true. [SPEAKER_00]: It's technically true, originally they were. [SPEAKER_00]: But we have to be asking, we have to be transparent.

35:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I think across the board that once you've induced those cells to expand, divide and use them in a lab to go through those replication events, they're not age zero anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: And that is often lost in a part of the conversation. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a question that people should be asking if they're engaging in some of these donor treatments. [SPEAKER_00]: is how those cells have been treated after the fact. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I think that's such a great point. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what we do here on the wild job.

35:35 [SPEAKER_02]: We love to sift through the noise and give you real life circumstances, conversations. [SPEAKER_02]: And so towards the end of this, we will definitely give some key questions. [SPEAKER_02]: You want to ask your practitioner who may not know about acorn yet. [SPEAKER_02]: And you can also introduce them to acorn because this may be a better solution that they might be interested in for their patients as well. [SPEAKER_02]: So step one is you get 50 hairs plucked by the practitioner.

36:02 [SPEAKER_02]: It says if you're like tweezing eyebrows, no big deal. [SPEAKER_02]: Then you go home, live your life. [SPEAKER_02]: How long does it take to get this second term? [SPEAKER_02]: Ready. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we have that production step where we actually not, we don't defy the cells, so that process that ages them, we keep them in their natural environment without promoting that division. [SPEAKER_00]: So we allow them to exist in a similar environment that they experienced when they were in your scalp, so they continue doing their job, where they essentially release all of these molecules with the effort of stimulating the cells around them.

36:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And over that period of time, we constantly skim all of those bioactive molecules and exesomes out of that source, so they're in this perpetual loop of wanting to fill that space with more, and so that allows us to accumulate very high volumes of them. [SPEAKER_00]: and then that process takes under two months and you will have your own suite of vials. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not just a single treatment. [SPEAKER_00]: You have an opportunity to create a regenerative reserve essentially with your physician in their practice that they can then supplement your your skin care supplement your your hair regeneration and all of these practices to try to enhance our our aesthetics.

37:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can speak just for my own personal experience. [SPEAKER_02]: I discovered you guys because I liked to use things closest to my biology and my hair three years ago started just falling out in clumps and I thought it was stress and then I was like, okay, maybe it's nutritional deficiencies. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize it was hormones because we're not really taught to think that like when your hormones change, your hair can be affected but it happens to [SPEAKER_02]: over 50% of women, at least they know that for menopause, but I was in my early 40s like who would ever think that that would be a hormone thing.

37:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I tried PRP and I actually talked about it on the today show with my doctor, Dr. [SPEAKER_02]: Bowman, who's also one of your providers. [SPEAKER_02]: And I had decent results, but it didn't blow me away, so I kept searching and searching and really investigating about exosomes and some cells, which is where we connected. [SPEAKER_02]: And so I was like, all right, well, the sound's great. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, why not just try it. [SPEAKER_02]: And so for those who don't understand, once you get the secretary tone right now, at least for the beauty conversation, you can micro needle it.

38:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And so you can micro needle it on your hair, [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: And so for me, I said, well, we're just going to do all the areas and see what happens because why not? [SPEAKER_02]: And so we micro-needled all the areas. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's been two months. [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, my hair is actually it's wet. [SPEAKER_02]: So from the shower. [SPEAKER_02]: So I can't even show it. [SPEAKER_02]: But I have to say, I was showing clients literally yesterday. [SPEAKER_02]: I have hair growth during what I wanted to tell you.

38:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It's happening. [SPEAKER_00]: I love it. [SPEAKER_00]: I love it. [SPEAKER_00]: I love it. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's so exciting. [SPEAKER_02]: And for women, usually like in your temple areas, I guess,

38:52 [SPEAKER_02]: But the women, their temples is another area that you have like shedding. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even know I had shedding there, but that's where I can see like all these little baby hairs. [SPEAKER_02]: I'll send you a picture. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm so excited to hear that you've had a great experience. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm glad that we obviously connected them and [SPEAKER_00]: gave you the chance to try out secret homes, your own secret homes for that. [SPEAKER_00]: I have had the same experience with my wife in the Temple area, which is a common issue with women, especially after having kids and things you've been in there.

39:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And one of the first things for me that I saw with Jen is when she started doing the secret home treatments that area really filled in. [SPEAKER_00]: And so it was, you know, it's one of those things where you see that shedding, it's not, you know, necessarily like super obvious, but as you get older, it starts to become more and more obvious and so getting ahead of that and be able to kind of fill in that area and what we see is two things really you can stimulate those vellis hair follicles that, you know, are miniatrized so they really don't that like baby hairs almost you can actually stimulate them to be more full thickness hair follicles.

39:57 [SPEAKER_00]: But on top of that, people are getting thicker, fuller hair across the board during these treatments. [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's one thing that I really noticed with that Jen especially. [SPEAKER_00]: And so, we've done this for everybody proactively. [SPEAKER_00]: Like obviously, her and I have actually done treatments right on skin and hair. [SPEAKER_00]: I've used it on my skin and my hair. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, your hair is like, if people are watching on video, I think any guy would be like, I want your hair.

40:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, okay, I feel like I had decent hair before, but I definitely feel it is sticking around. [SPEAKER_00]: It is sticking around, I mean, going to maintain it and keep it thick, which is the goal here. [SPEAKER_00]: But we've done this proactively, I mean, done it for a parent, obviously, for ourselves. [SPEAKER_00]: But then we've got three amazing boys at home and all of them have gone through it and have their younger cells banked. [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, you have a family of parents playing, which I saw.

40:47 [SPEAKER_02]: That really was amazing. [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, wow, I wish I knew about this when I was younger. [SPEAKER_02]: Is there an age limit like the youngest age that you can do it? [SPEAKER_02]: Is it 18? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a little changed for everybody, obviously, because, you know, people develop at different times. [SPEAKER_00]: But typically around the age of 12 is where we see kids start to have adult-sized follicles. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: And so our youngest is nine.

41:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He has gone through this and done and he successfully had a collection, but his follicles is like yield per follicles a little bit smaller when we did the analysis, but yeah, but yeah, we, you know, you can target around 12 an hour and it's something that, you know, because of of questions like that. [SPEAKER_00]: We created this family plan for people to do together because, I mean, honestly, I can speak for myself if I went to a clinic and I banked myself and I walked home and I said, I'm now frozen down and prepared for the future.

41:44 [SPEAKER_00]: But Jen and the kids you guys are out of luck. [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be sleeping on the couch. [SPEAKER_00]: So very much you see the family members, you know, dragged in and everybody doing this together. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I had a client coaching client for the well-drop method. [SPEAKER_02]: Asked me, her husband went bald really young. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think those who are children of parents with that, they have this fear. [SPEAKER_02]: Is that going to happen to me? [SPEAKER_02]: And there's no way to really know.

42:11 [SPEAKER_02]: So I introduced her to Acorn. [SPEAKER_02]: I said, listen, why not bank the cells? [SPEAKER_02]: And this way, you'll just sort of like support his future potential because you have it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: It has a beautiful head of hair right now. [SPEAKER_02]: So I think especially like part of the vibe you don't want to lose that and hair is such an emotional thing for most people that I didn't even realize until I had my own experience. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize there's so many people deal with it in silence because they don't want to talk about it.

42:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And that you don't even notice that you're having this hair loss issue until you've lost almost 50% of your hair too, which is pretty jarring. [SPEAKER_00]: It is right. [SPEAKER_02]: The ponytail starts disappearing. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's definitely something where there's a certain tipping point where all the sudden you really notice it, but obviously what's been going on symptomatically goes back even further. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think this is an opportunity to try to catch things in in that in between and and think about it as made insight we maintain our skin right like people are doing treatments.

43:12 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, annually, or quarterly, or, you know, daily, if you think of putting skin up up, then serums on your skin at home. [SPEAKER_00]: So you're getting all of these things, but oftentimes what hair gets in the collective. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that this is an opportunity to make an investment in maintaining your hair. [SPEAKER_00]: Even if you have fantastic hair, maintaining that and making sure that, you know, as you get older and typically, you [SPEAKER_00]: All of us experience this, our care follicles do then.

43:39 [SPEAKER_00]: We do have sometimes spot loss in different problem areas. [SPEAKER_00]: We can really circumvent that by getting ahead of it. [SPEAKER_00]: So especially what we see is for a lot of parents, and maybe the dad's dealing with some male pattern baldness and getting treated actively. [SPEAKER_00]: But the parents are making the decision also bank their kids here because now they'll have their younger material ready and waiting for them when they catch up to dad's age.

44:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a gift that keeps on giving. [SPEAKER_02]: And also, I wanted to go into how, so why micro-nealing? [SPEAKER_02]: I think most people don't even think about it, at least I didn't, you know, what I've done micro-nealing before. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what is it that they're putting on you when they're actually micro-nealing? [SPEAKER_02]: And what are we now swapping out, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Now we're like swapping that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is, you can supplementary, you can swap out.

44:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Really, you've got options to paint on what you want to do. [SPEAKER_00]: What we've created is something that is truly regenerative and quite potent. [SPEAKER_00]: So this is a great opportunity to combine it with treatments that actually open up channels in our skin to allow us to get the most out of it. [SPEAKER_00]: Our skin is a very effective barrier. [SPEAKER_00]: Right, so it's meant to keep things out and obviously keep things in. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting through that barrier with things that you want in, can be enhanced by using micro-need lane or laser.

44:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Things that open up channels in your skin to be able to absorb more things. [SPEAKER_00]: And so we often see. [SPEAKER_00]: the combination of secret homes alongside at the time of micro-needling or applied after laser procedures to great effect. [SPEAKER_00]: And that gives you the most bang out of this investment in my opinion. [SPEAKER_02]: got it. [SPEAKER_02]: So for me, I could just say what I did. [SPEAKER_02]: So I micronydled my hair, my face neck and chest, and I actually saw for sure after the second time, I didn't really pay attention after the first to my neck, but I noticed on the second time, my neck as I technically have lines on my neck was so smooth.

45:33 [SPEAKER_02]: It was as if I had done Botox, you know, a lot of women do Botox in their neck, and especially I can like show my stress up there. [SPEAKER_02]: It was, [SPEAKER_02]: It was a jaw-dropping, like, floor, mouth open, like, I couldn't even believe that this was happening to me in real time, and it was immediate, and then speaking about a post-leaser for the redness, I saw just even for the micro-needling. [SPEAKER_02]: They put it on, so they used it for me for the micro-needling, and then after my treatment, they did another once over, and it reduced all the redness.

46:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it really could never know. [SPEAKER_02]: I even got micro-needled. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, our secret cells are unbelievably anti-inflammatory, so we've talked about the growth factors in the ex-somes, but there's these other things in there, including PDRN, which people are getting from salmon, you can get it from yourself. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, this is a big trend right now, so is that what the salmon sperm facials are, that's PDRN. [SPEAKER_00]: GDR and Polynucleotide, so it's basically the building blocks of our DNA.

46:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're trying to repair and renew things, it's giving yourself some of the building blocks to do that. [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously the activity gets driven through other processes, but the PDRN really helps provide the material. [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's something that works very well in concert with some of these other things. [SPEAKER_00]: On top of that, you've got things that are called cytokines or cytokines, and these are molecules and our bodies that are modulating our inflammatory response, and really in the secret tone, keeping that inflammation in that band of what is normal.

47:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So, too little inflammation is bad, and this modulates that to keep it in that right zone. [SPEAKER_00]: So, you see some things clinically what you see as a reduction in redness. [SPEAKER_00]: We've had some dermatologists experiment with leveraging the secret tone to treat things that are more medical, skin conditions like psoriasis, eczema. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, applying the secret tombs topically to it, we had a lichen squirrosis, we've seen improvements across all these areas.

47:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Lichen squirrosis is actually something that can be very debilitating and we've seen patients have that fully resolved by leveraging their secret tombs, which is quite exciting. [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. [SPEAKER_02]: That's amazing. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think what I'd like that you said is that for me was an either or for treatment, but this can also be a combination. [SPEAKER_02]: So whatever you are already doing, this is kind of like that upgrade optimization that you can layer in on top of that because it's your own will it affect anything like depending on whatever there's so many different treatments out there right now that it will have like a negative reaction or this is complementary

48:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would say that this is absolutely complimentary, and people will stack different things, and I think that when we think about, you know, our skin and our hair, different things will touch different areas, and so for hair, this is often combined, especially men that are on a pharmaceutical option, like, you know, if an asteroid or two asteroid, then oxidyl, adding in a regenerative component, is that idea that like one plus one equals three, so they'll have an enhanced effect in either of those things alone.

48:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So that I think has been really amazing to see the stacking of some of these things together to really get you that next bar of results and the same thing for skin right like this is something that is super intensive can can be combined with treatments that are beneficial in their own and then you know it combined with these intense moments of leveraging your secret home with you know it. [SPEAKER_00]: things that you can take home and use and people have been taking home the secret home and using it as a serum.

49:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Those things can really kind of elongate that benefit that you were seeding coupled with that micro-needling or coupled with that laser treatment. [SPEAKER_02]: I love them because this is such a forward thinking. [SPEAKER_02]: This is like the new version of beauty for me before beauty came in a jar or serum. [SPEAKER_02]: But now this is your own stuff that you can create. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, at the practitioner, they basically create a serum out of it in a sentence, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Because it looks like almost like you get just so people can envision you sort of get a box.

49:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And they have these little tubes a lot of people are doing peptides. [SPEAKER_02]: So it looks like you're getting a peptide container, but it's your stem cell, second tone. [SPEAKER_00]: Which includes a lot of peptides, so. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And so then they add, I believe, is that water to it, or what are they adding to it, or highway? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So you've got options of how you want to dilute it depending on the type of treatment.

49:57 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a, we've actually engineered a hyaluronic acid. [SPEAKER_00]: It's very dilute, so it's not what you just see with like a filler. [SPEAKER_00]: It's more of like the raw material that your body can use. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a hyaluronic acid that you can use topically, which is additive to be suspended. [SPEAKER_00]: People are also using saline, right, just because of its balance with salt and recombining it in that. [SPEAKER_02]: And the practitioner is choosing that.

50:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So you don't have to think about that. [SPEAKER_02]: But when you look at the box, like I'm always curious. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, show me what that is. [SPEAKER_02]: I want to see what it is. [SPEAKER_02]: that's kind of what you're looking at. [SPEAKER_02]: So it's super cool. [SPEAKER_02]: And because this is a forward thinking product, I love to hear your thoughts on like, where are we going to be 10 years from now? [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what does a woman's beauty routine look like to you?

50:39 [SPEAKER_02]: How are you thinking about it? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's going to be very regenerative. [SPEAKER_00]: So leveraging our own materials to create that benefit. [SPEAKER_00]: essentially taking these molecules that help us remain youthful and ourselves performing and essentially banking ourselves to be able to continue to leverage them in the future is going to be standard of care, the idea of having all of these different stacks, the modalities, pharmaceutical approaches, regenerative medicine will be another pillar in our healthcare and another pillar in a static [SPEAKER_00]: So it's already started right here in and other avenues of been a big, big player.

51:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Now we've had this wave of synthetic opportunities and and donor opportunities. [SPEAKER_00]: Now I think we're bringing to the table, the ability to have that same regenerative approach except do this from your own cells, which you will get that much better of an effect from because of that synchronicity with your own biology. [SPEAKER_02]: And so when people are seeing, because I think stem cells is going to be everywhere, when people are seeing it marketed to them, either online or in a store, what are those stem cells, or their plant stem cells, I like to get people give a pause before feeling like, oh, I need that.

51:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Stempsils is a very broad word, especially in marketing. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think if we want to simplify things, we can break down all cells in our body and put them on a pyramid. [SPEAKER_00]: At the very top of that pyramid, you have spermite's egg, that cell can give rise to every and does, every cell in our bodies. [SPEAKER_00]: The biggest decision that gets made during, you know, the after sperm intake is which side of that pyramid is the cell going to roll down. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

52:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's three different germ layers, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So three different general types of cells. [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's each face of the pyramid. [SPEAKER_00]: And at the bottom of the period is the final cell types that are doing a job in our body somewhere, kidney cell, skin cell, a hair follicle cell, all of these end cell types. [SPEAKER_00]: But halfway up that pyramid, we have adult stem cells. [SPEAKER_00]: And mesenchyl stem cells are one of those. [SPEAKER_00]: They're all on the face of that pyramid.

52:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And so these are opportunities to capture cells from ourselves, even as adults, that have that stem cell potential. [SPEAKER_00]: But again, that's not the same as that magic moment when sperm eats egg. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the very top. [SPEAKER_00]: And at that point, it can choose any path to roll down. [SPEAKER_00]: So we can get access to these cells that are halfway up the delivery of tremendous amount of benefit. [SPEAKER_00]: What we've also done for long-term objectives is be able to take those cells that are halfway up that mountain and push them back up to the top.

53:23 [SPEAKER_02]: interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: And this is through reprogramming it's a Nobel Prize when a technology and we've been able to now take the cells from that are have been banged right from our hair follicles and turn them into those cells at the top and push them down the other sides of the pyramid. [SPEAKER_00]: And so we've created cartilage fat bone skin cells. [SPEAKER_00]: We've created pancreatic cells, neurons, even dopaminergic neurons. [SPEAKER_00]: We've created NK cells all from the

53:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that sounds amazing. [SPEAKER_02]: I always say on the well-dupped that people do great things just in the wrong order. [SPEAKER_02]: And so, while all of these new terms are out there with treatments, now that, to me, you're now the new be on board that we didn't have this option before to do something that was easily accessible with our own stem cells. [SPEAKER_02]: Now that exists. [SPEAKER_02]: things to acorn. [SPEAKER_02]: And so sort of like flipping the order of like why not now because you can get access to your own.

54:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Start there as your first step. [SPEAKER_02]: And then if you're not getting the results that you want, you can start layering in, you know, the more synthetic versions to combine or maybe you'll even need a little bit less of the synthetic because your own is doing exactly what you wanted to do. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think the closer the mark we can get with these materials toward cells, the better, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when you start to get into plant stem cells, which, you know, it's not like they're saying plant stem cells.

54:48 [SPEAKER_00]: They're just saying stem cells are contained in this, but you know, they're from a rose or they're from, you know, a plant. [SPEAKER_00]: We're very far away from human biology. [SPEAKER_00]: So even when you think about plant collagen, that's not a collagen that our bodies are able to leverage in any beneficial way for our own collagen. [SPEAKER_00]: There's so far apart that it's fairly meaningless. [SPEAKER_00]: Even if you talk to a biologist or a plant biologist and you start talking about the exosomes from the plant, there's vast differences in how those exosomes operate.

55:17 [SPEAKER_00]: We need to compare them to human exosomes. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I think that if we want to actually treat human biology, we should be using human biology, and if we want to treat use specifically, we should be using it. [SPEAKER_02]: I love them. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think there's a perfect segue. [SPEAKER_02]: We always close out our conversations. [SPEAKER_02]: I'd love to hear from you. [SPEAKER_02]: What is it one drop of a one this was you like to leave with us today? [SPEAKER_02]: And it could be anything because you've already given us so many things.

55:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk a little bit about how these new pillars in health care and how we're genitive medicine will be that in the future. [SPEAKER_00]: If we want to prepare for that, I think we have to have the starting material in place. [SPEAKER_00]: And that is cells. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think the the best act that we can we can make right now to prepare for that future is make sure that we've got the best version of ourselves on ice at the very least and make sure that that we can fully take advantage of regenerative medicine.

56:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And so thank your cells today if you want to start using them right away, we can do that for you, but you'll always have those ready and way in for you. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, always keep the door open and just have options. [SPEAKER_02]: So I agree, go bank yourselves. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much, Dr. Drew, for being on the well job with us today. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much. [SPEAKER_00]: This is wonderful. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

56:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Drew, thank you so much, you made the future make sense and I am so excited to see what is coming next. [SPEAKER_02]: So let's recap here is what you learned today. [SPEAKER_02]: Number one, your own stem cells live in the tiny pocket at the base of every hair. [SPEAKER_02]: A pluck, not a procedure, save them and they wait for you at the age when you want them most. [SPEAKER_02]: And now you know the word secret home, all the messages your own

57:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Who is it from and what is it? [SPEAKER_02]: Do you need exosomes PDRN PDGF and placenta cells? [SPEAKER_02]: Or should you just start with your own stem cells first? [SPEAKER_02]: Number three, storage for acorn starts around 190 a year. [SPEAKER_02]: This is where you start your future of skincare today, and you can also do it for your family. [SPEAKER_02]: Catching my hairline in the mirror at 46 and seeing tiny baby hairs only after my second treatment, I know that this was the right move for me in my midlife experiment, and so you can decide if it's right for you.

57:37 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the drop for 50 years beauty meant buying the next era means saving. [SPEAKER_02]: The future of skincare and hair care is inside your own stem cells. [SPEAKER_02]: Everything that oak needs is already in the acorn. [SPEAKER_02]: Your cells are only as good as your lifestyle, so upgrade your habits, upgrade your home, use data to back it up, and then go for the next step. [SPEAKER_02]: So start now one habit, one upgrade, you can catch it every week inside the well drop news.

58:05 [SPEAKER_02]: You can go to thewelldrop.com, sign up and you will get it delivered to your inbox every week. [SPEAKER_02]: And you can also check out a corn inside thewelldrop.com under beauty as well. [SPEAKER_02]: I will see you next week. [SPEAKER_02]: You got this, I got you.

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